Comments on: Romans 8:28 http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/07/romans-828/ Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:11:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Singam http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/07/romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-294 Singam Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:36:31 +0000 http://www.themicahmandate.org/?p=1837#comment-294 Alwyn, thanks for that. I guess that's about as close to a logical resolution as one can get in this context. Any remaining gaps will have to be covered with faith. Hmmm, Omnipresence as a subset. That's something to think about. Which gets me wondering... can Omnipotence then be a subset of Omnipresence? Mystery of mysteries. Alwyn, thanks for that.

I guess that’s about as close to a logical resolution as one can get in this context. Any remaining gaps will have to be covered with faith.

Hmmm, Omnipresence as a subset. That’s something to think about.

Which gets me wondering… can Omnipotence then be a subset of Omnipresence?

Mystery of mysteries.

]]> By: alwyn http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/07/romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-293 alwyn Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:15:50 +0000 http://www.themicahmandate.org/?p=1837#comment-293 Singam, God's omnipresence is, IMO, a sub-set of His omni-potence i.e. His ability to will whatever He so desires (within the limits of personal self-determination, as per Gapstander's comments). Just because one of his created agents freely chose evil has simply *nothing* to do with God's attributes of infinite love and power and 'trans-physicality'. God, in His sovereignity, *gave us the power to do good or evil* - that itself is an act of creative other-ness and love. That often we choose destructive paths reflects our short-comings and is certainly NOT 'internal' to God at all. Singam,

God’s omnipresence is, IMO, a sub-set of His omni-potence i.e. His ability to will whatever He so desires (within the limits of personal self-determination, as per Gapstander’s comments).

Just because one of his created agents freely chose evil has simply *nothing* to do with God’s attributes of infinite love and power and ‘trans-physicality’. God, in His sovereignity, *gave us the power to do good or evil* – that itself is an act of creative other-ness and love. That often we choose destructive paths reflects our short-comings and is certainly NOT ‘internal’ to God at all.

]]> By: gapstander http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/07/romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-292 gapstander Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:26:14 +0000 http://www.themicahmandate.org/?p=1837#comment-292 God created us in His own image with hearts of flesh, not stone...capable of making choices, knowing right from wrong..fact that He is also not only omnipresent, but omniscient and omnipotent, does not mean that we are going to be spared from all the consequences of our fallenness (the greed, selfishness, power-abuse, corruption, s'times anarchy in affairs of state and nation..) because He gave us the power to choose..to repent of our sins and choose to love and worship Him and live acc to His ways or the free-for-all that abounds in the ways of the world since the day adam and eve fell He could have have made us robots and solve the problem of evil and sin by just pressing buttons but that would make Him out to be a dictator, which He is not - but Father God with tender heart of all-encompassing, redeeming love that patiently seeks the sinner but hates the sin God created us in His own image with hearts of flesh, not stone…capable of making choices, knowing right from wrong..fact that He is also not only omnipresent, but omniscient and omnipotent, does not mean that we are going to be spared from all the consequences of our fallenness (the greed, selfishness, power-abuse, corruption, s’times anarchy in affairs of state and nation..) because He gave us the power to choose..to repent of our sins and choose to love and worship Him and live acc to His ways or the free-for-all that abounds in the ways of the world since the day adam and eve fell

He could have have made us robots and solve the problem of evil and sin by just pressing buttons but that would make Him out to be a dictator, which He is not – but Father God with tender heart of all-encompassing, redeeming love that patiently seeks the sinner but hates the sin

]]> By: Singam http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/07/romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-291 Singam Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:17:13 +0000 http://www.themicahmandate.org/?p=1837#comment-291 I have had a fundamental problem with evil being external to God. That is in conflict with the proposition that God is omnipresent. Has anyone been able to reconcile this in a logical manner? Or is this one of the mysteries that we need to accept on faith? I have had a fundamental problem with evil being external to God. That is in conflict with the proposition that God is omnipresent.

Has anyone been able to reconcile this in a logical manner? Or is this one of the mysteries that we need to accept on faith?

]]> By: alwyn http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/07/romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-290 alwyn Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:22:38 +0000 http://www.themicahmandate.org/?p=1837#comment-290 The interpretation is critical. Are we saying that: a) God 'engineered' the bad stuff to make good out of our lives (in that case, He also planned/controlled everything we don't like about M'sian politics)? OR b) God is always fighting against the evil to overcome it for our good? Till now I can't fathom how people can 'believe' in option a) - and many do - but act/live/think/talk like the other option was the right one. The interpretation is critical. Are we saying that:

a) God ‘engineered’ the bad stuff to make good out of our lives (in that case, He also planned/controlled everything we don’t like about M’sian politics)? OR

b) God is always fighting against the evil to overcome it for our good?

Till now I can’t fathom how people can ‘believe’ in option a) – and many do – but act/live/think/talk like the other option was the right one.

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